How to Lead with Power, Purpose and Integrity – with the Magnetic Tiana Baxter

 Well, let me teach people how to actually command the room through their body language, their voice, their tonality. You know how they move through a room so they're influential because that's actually how then you get noticed without having to be the loudest in the room. Sharing with people your scar's, not your wounds, right?

Yeah. Like you don't do it when you're in it. You do it when it's healed. So it's not about commanding others to step up to the play. It's actually command yourself to step up to play and others rise with you. This is when I'll always say the hustle's not bad. People get No. Yeah. People worry about the hustle.

Hustle is good about hustle. Everyone change that word. Hustle it. Like when you have to hustle like that in a powerful, fun way, it's amazing. If I could give anyone, not just one piece of life, but say anything, it's you actually forget when you are in it. You forget how far you've come. But I had to be okay with the process.

I had to be okay with the fact that if I was gonna continue to lead myself and step up for what I needed and what my children needed. Other things. We're gonna have to go with that. That's start with the operator, not the operations. Yeah. Yeah. Transform them in turn, transforms the business. If you are feeling disorientated from the business, remember it is about the transformation that you're giving to the buyer.

You can't control and persuade out there. Yes, but you can change what you are putting out from here. These are the strategies I did in order to make myself feel better when I was in that space. And then she's like, what type of voodoo wizard are you? One of the parts of leadership that people just, it's so underestimated is self-regulation.

Yeah. Like everyone goes straight for, I've gotta update the operating systems, I need the funnel, I need the foundations, I need the system. I'm like, how about we upgrade the operator? Like who are you influenced to buy? Yes. Who are you surrounding yourself with? Are they making you a better person or potentially not as great?

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Welcome back to the inner sanctum Salon, rising the podcast. Good morning, Sam. Good morning. How are you? I'm be honest. Oh, luck. Shit, I'm surviving. I've got a horrible cold, but I'm here. I'm pretty sure Richard was gonna throw me off a bridge if I was like, yeah, now cancel everything tomorrow. So I'm here.

Welcome, I'm alive, keep on, keep an eye. I keep on like the joys of being a, yeah. Made wearing the many hats, but I'm very excited for what we have on today. Yeah, and I think that the many hats. Is probably a good place to start with the guests that we've got today, because even prior to starting we are like, I don't even know how to introduce you.

You have so many hats. So Sam, maybe segue us in and then our guest can introduce herself. All her hats. Okay. Yeah. So I will introduce her as my friend, first and foremost. So everybody, this is my friend, miss Tiana Baxter. Welcome. Hello to the podcast. Thank you. Um, and it's interesting how Tiana and I met and the reason why we say many hats is Tiana and I met as client to my salon.

Yes. So she was with another staff member and it was. Like five or six years ago now. Maybe even longer. Seven maybe. Yeah. Five or six. Yeah. Um, and she came as a client to the salon, to a staff member of mine. Um, and when that staff member left, I was like, I want to take her on, because she had this like, vivacious energy and it's this really powerful energy that I think it fills a room.

It, yeah. And, and not in a, like in your face way. Yeah. It's an energy that is palpable. Yeah. Can't, yeah. I was, I wanna know her and I wanna hang out with her. And I think it was also an energy that it was like, um, needed to be, um. Like with like, if that makes sense. I think it needed that power of me and her and yeah, we just developed this relationship, I guess, through being a client and then just evolved in so much more.

So welcome. Thank you to the pod. Thank you for having me. So again, like we said before, if you were to say to somebody what is your, and, and we can go back to what our history was. Yeah. But what your role is, what your job is now, what you do now, what would you say? Yeah. When someone comes up to you and they go, hi Tiana, it's nice to meet you.

What do you do? What do you say? The, the elevator pitch? Yeah. Yeah. I don't have one because there's multiple things I think that I would say that I do in terms of, so here's how I would position it. You know, when you meet someone, and they might have to, if they're a business owner and they might have to jump online to sell a product or be visible or they're speaking on stage, I.

And they get a little bit nervous and shaking their voice and you see their language start to collapse and they get a little bit sweaty and they're unsure how to be visible. Well, what I do is I solve that problem. So I work with women on how to command the room to command attention, to be able to help transform their client's lives.

Jen's going, that's hilarious. Considering we just said how that is what you do. That is what you do. I was actually you. It's what you do. I think it's who you are. Well, when you introduce me like that, you didn't even know that that's what I was gonna say. Say, yeah. It permeates like, yeah. It's something you need to be around.

So I think that's, it's a great way to describe it. Yeah. Well I think, I mean, that's one of the things, but for me it's, I've worked as, you know, business mentor for four years now and helping people build their businesses with strategy, um, behind the scenes. And I realized from, and you've been in some of my spaces, so, you know, but.

You can give everyone the same strategy. I could give you the 10 step funnel template. Amazing. We all need it. We need backbones and foundations in our business. And then I'm like, why would some people really nail it and fly? Yeah. And some wouldn't outside of mindset. And you know, the behind the scenes that they need to work on in their own life.

And I realize it's, people actually don't dunno the strategy of command. Mm. Yeah. You know, and they are here. And whether it's doing hair, selling a product, a mentor, whatever it is, you are all here to transform someone's life. Like you're, you know, I trust that everyone wants a good intention, good impact.

Well, let me teach people how to actually command the room through their body language, their voice, their tonality. You know how they move through a room so they're influential because that's actually how then you get noticed. Mm. Without having to be the loudest in the room. Mm. Yes. And I think that's such an important differentiation to make.

You know what I mean? You can be noticed. You don't have to be the loudest person in the room because I think there's a lot of people that aren't comfortable. In certain situations, like putting themselves out there. Mm. That it's like, you don't have to be yelling. Yeah. Look at me, look at me. Like, you can still be impactful and powerful and quiet.

Mm. You know? Mm. It's, I would say it's probably, when I look at the high performers, I would say, and I, and this is, I talk about this from, you know, the coaching element that I do, but we have multiple businesses, product-based business. We have a children's book, we do multiple things. And even when I look at it with team members, with sales team, Josh, my husband, who, you know, leads those businesses as well, soon as he started understanding, you know, his persuasion field and how to actually use that to command, it's not the loudest.

The loudest is pick me energy. Look at me. Look at me. You know? And I'm not saying you don't need to be visible and use your voice. Mm. But there's a way that you can use it that's so grounded, so authentic, that actually pulls people in verse repel them away. Oh, I love that. I feel like we need an entire podcast just on how to do that.

It's one of those things we were laughing on the weekend. I was at an event and I said to Josh, it's so funny because I honestly believe this work in the wrong hands is not good. Oh, agreed. Because people will take the, the persuasion field and turn it into manipulation. Yeah. And, and so I'm, so, I'm so, um, mindful of how I share it because it is skills, but it has to be with the right heart center Yes.

That use these skills. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I mean, like, I just think of, this is controversial, but it makes you think of like people like Hitler, you know? Yeah. And it's like. Yeah. Mind control. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, yes. It's gotta be in the right hand. Yeah, it is. And it's not to, um, it's never to influence the other person.

It's actually influencing yourself. Yeah. That then opens the field for the other people. And I think that's where people misconstrue the idea behind it. Yeah. It's not, I'm going to force you into this, it's more, I'm going to show up this way, speak this way. Hold open energy in a certain way and behind it, you know, I can, like there is strategies, there are certain things you can and can't say.

But it's so that way the other person can make an informed decision based on the, you know, like, okay, so, and you said it when you did the intro, which is so beautiful. Thank you. But you walk into a room, or you come into a Zoom call, or you go into a shopping center and you meet someone you know instantly before they even open their mouth.

Right. How you feel with them. Mm-hmm. Don't you? Mm-hmm. Like, we judge, it's like some people say it's seven seconds, three seconds. It's now been measured at like less than 1.3 seconds. We have a, and I'm not saying we should be judgmental people, but our bodies almost pick up on it. But you're picking up.

Yeah. What is that? And it's outside of the, you know, I, I don't speak into the, um, side of like the frequency and, and that side of it, but it's actually more. You are picking up something in their field and it could just literally be that they're standing crossed with their arm. So, and all of a sudden now they're not open.

Mm. Yeah. Now they, now they're in a closed field. Yeah. And you don't know why you feel standoffish with that person. Over time you will get to know them and build trust. Mm. But if we literally are in these businesses where we are having a sales call, we are meeting someone face to face, we're on camera and we've got less than three seconds.

We need to know what we're doing. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we need to know because down in our highs we wanna serve you. Yeah. But we might not realize there's something going in our personal life that's made us closed off for the day. Yeah. Therefore, we're showing up, closed off. What are the simple things we can do to help us in those moments?

That actually changed. Shift your state too. Yes. Oh my God, I love it. I know. I was like, I didn't even know we were taking this podcast. And I'm already like, oh, teach me. And that's a funny thing. So we met, let's go back into our history a bit. Sure. 'cause I think it's important to speak on. Um, who you are and you know why you have been, you've played a big part in my life.

And I think 'cause behind this, I think it's really important. 'cause people are, for example, seeing you for the first time. Yeah. And they're like, okay, what is she about? What does she do? Like, why does she do this? Um, so when you and I met you were quite high up in a corporate field. Yep. And it was very cool for me 'cause I watched you stand, step into the coaching space.

Mm. With, you know, you were just like, I remember sitting here one day doing your hair and you were like, do I change my Instagram or do I, like, what do I call myself and what does this look like? And we were like, I had to ask you, how do I write in this? How do I write this way? I need, I need a space in this caption.

How do I do that? Do you not remember? And I That's right. I remember that. You are like, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just gonna do it. And you. Just did it with like you knew and at that point behind the scenes you had done a lot of coaching, had a lot of coaching yourself, and you had gone through and done it with the right people.

That felt really good for you as well. You know, it wasn't just like, I'm gonna fluke this, I'm gonna jump in, I'm gonna see if it works. No, you very much knew behind the scenes what that would look like for you. And you obviously, you and Josh, your husband have businesses together. They also have two little girls as well that I think it's really important to talk about.

'cause we always talk about the motherhood in all of this. Um, and that was very cool because I think it was only about 12 months later that I decided to do Salon and Rising. And I remember saying to Rich, I need like. If I'm doing this, I need to do this, I need a coach. Because for me, it wasn't about learning.

I knew what I knew with teaching someone how to do this, the strategy, but I really needed to be in a space with somebody that could lead me through things. Mm. Could, you know, look at things in a different light. Um, and many of those things, like, so much of that still lives with me. And I think the top one for me was leadership.

Like, I really felt like when I did, you know, I did about four or five months in a container with you, I gained this different idea and thought process on what leadership should look like and. Um, I think, and it's something that I say to you all the time, one of the most incredible qualities you have is your integrity.

You are one of like the most integrable people I've ever met. Meaning that if you say it, you are living it. Mm-hmm. If you say to do it, that's what you are living every day. And I think it's really easy for us, you know, in this space and I can put my hand up and say, you know, sometimes we're like, do this and we've gotten tired on the other side and potentially aren't doing that anymore.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And it's really hard then to show up in those areas because what they call it, the difference between being a parrot and a practitioner. Mm. Yeah. You know, it is like, are you just parroting what you should do or are you a practitioner of what you're saying? What you're saying? Yeah.

Yeah. And you know, you are, you lead with so much integrity, you know, in that mastermind I was in, you went through things and I just saw you. Everything was led with this like, and you know, this is why you should be doing what you're doing now because everything, every way you led was with this like quiet, reserved power that it did just didn't have to be spoken.

It was just like you just led yourself. So I've watched you move through that and then move through so much, so many other things that I think the other thing that I wanted to say here with someone like you is that you have been in this like coaching space for four, is it four years? Four years, yeah.

And you have redeveloped yourself over and over and over and over again. Yeah. In the same integrity. You haven't changed at all as a person, but you have found yourself in different, like it has moved you through different seasons and different occasions, and you've found something so deep that you've been able to, you know.

You were massive at the beginning and then you stayed quiet. We talked about that before. So I'd love you to take us through a bit of your journey because I've been able to watch it as a friend unfold. Um, and it's been so special, but for me it's allowed me to step into those things as I've watched you do it as well.

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Leadership was something I had to learn at a really young age, and understanding that leadership starts with leading yourself first. Mm. And you know, I think you see it as integrity and it is integrity, but how can I possibly lead anyone, whether it's a client, my children, any situation if I'm not doing.

Maybe not exactly the same thing. 'cause I'm not gonna do the same things I ask my children to do all the time. May have done it when I was younger, but how can I actually expect anything of anyone else? So I, you know, I talk about commanding a room, but my, my, the underlying truth of that is command more of yourself than you do of others.

Mm. So it's not about commanding others to step up to the play, it's actually command yourself to step up to the plate and others rise with you. Mm-hmm. Is, is the terminology. And you know, as you know, you've been like, we've been friends for a long time, but you've been in some of those spaces and you've seen the, the, all the wins and some of you know, the downtimes and.

That I really do believe that leadership does come down to how well you can self-regulate in the moment. And I think what I've learned when you said, you know, when I started the business, I started going, gonna start this online business. I'd never had social media. My social media was f friends and family.

I had 200 followers. It was on private. And I remember sitting here saying to you, oh, I do this for a living. I'm actually gonna bring it online. I know I can help people. And I built it slowly, but it actually took off really quickly, really fast. And when I look back at the lessons, which I think we step away from, yeah.

And when you said, I've reinvented, not reinvented, but I've been able to keep reemerging and allowing my evolution to, to keep moving online. Yes. So it's not, it doesn't feel stale because I think that's important, right? Yeah. It's not, yeah. We are not going. And it's, you've gotta be really okay with the people that drop off with that as well.

Yes, absolutely. Which is actually one of the hardest lessons to learn. Learn. There's been a lot of. I'm gonna mention one of them if you're all right with it. But in the beginning, you were in human design. Yes. And now you are a very strong Christian. Yes. And that evolved over the last four years. Yeah. Um, and I think that's a really special journey.

You know, you had to be okay with the fact that no, this is. I'm still the same person, but my values and how I lead myself is different because I'm now leading myself with the Lord. Yep. And that's been massive as well because mm-hmm. I have also watched that evolvement, you know, and so you've also gotta be really okay with the fact that like, this is who I am, and when I say you stay quiet in things, you process everything you really implement.

That's why I say integrity. And then you move forward with, okay, this is where I'm at. Whereas it is so easy to be like, I learned this, this is amazing. This is what I'm teaching. Yeah. You don't do that. Yeah. You are very much like, I'm gonna stay back, I'm gonna stay quiet. I'm going to first make sure, integrate this fully, integrate this completely before I move forward and share it.

Because you know, on the other side that people. Are potentially not gonna like that. And I think in a space of social media, and we were having this conversation before in the space of social media, so much of it is ego. And I can relate completely to that, where we want that, that, um, dopamine hit, dopamine hit of someone being like, you're doing a really good job.

Or, you know, I love that. And we are not actually letting it integrate in ourselves first so that if we get rattled, it's okay. Yeah, yeah. It, it's so true. And I think it's the integrity piece. Yes. But, and you know, I think we've learned this. There would've been times where I've like, oh, something really amazing.

I'm like, I wanna share it. Yeah. So you share it and then it's, you don't even know the transformation that might We, when we have, whether we have 500 followers, whether we have 20 followers, whether we have thousands, hundreds of thousands of followers in every interaction with someone, you are causing an effect of influence.

Yeah. In the coffee shop in the morning. Yeah. Like anytime you are with another human being. And I would like to say I am. And it's not, I am highly influenced by Tiana in a way because she's so integral. A lot of my life has pivoted from us and you know, we weren't good friends. And I'd probably say in the last probably 12 months, we've become good friends.

But it was just on a client basis, so, and hairdresser. So even in that space, you are very influential to me, but it's so, it only speaks of volumes that you're doing this work. Mm-hmm. Because you are very influential in what you do, so you've also gotta be careful of that. Like, well, this is what I'm saying.

Yeah. You know, I think we, we forget that. Yeah. And could you imagine? And, and people do it and, you know, there's no judgment. It's a learning for them. But I've watched it. I can sit back, I can watch the patterns that play out and what, even though I'm able to allow my evolution to lead me. It never feels like whiplash for people watching.

Yeah. Because, and a lot of people do that because they've shared too early before they've integrated, realize it's not actually what they wanna be known for or what they wanna share. If I came out and said something, I have to be really aware. And like I said, it doesn't matter if I had five followers. It doesn't matter if you have no followers, it's any interaction with other human, we are leaving an imprint and a level of influence on them.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Any interaction. Yeah. And so for me, I'm going, well, if I, you know, I have, you know, the God is my, you know, God leads me now. Yeah. And if I'd come forward with that, when I first, you know, nine years ago I went to church. It's a long story. I won't go to it now. I went to church with my, with my, it wasn't my husband at the time.

Then we left church and then now we've been back in church. Yeah. And or back, um, with the Lord I should say, walking with the Lord. And if I'd come forward, as soon as that he had said, let's go back to church. I wasn't integrated in that yet. Yeah. I wasn't, you know, and also it's, I. Understanding what is the purpose of sharing this?

Yeah. Like what is actually the purpose? I'm running a business. Yeah. Right. I'm not running an entertainment channel. Yes. I'm not. Yes. And I wanna share my life with you, but I wanna also make sure when I share it with you, if it's gonna leave any influence on you, that I actually can back it up with, this is how it's helped me.

Yes. Yeah. Yes. Rather than, oh, this is a cool trend. Yes, yes. You know, we are running companies, we're running businesses, and I think it's really important to remember that and sharing that side of our life. Why are we sharing it firstly? And if it's, I actually just wanna share this 'cause it's really important to me.

It's part of my values. And anyone that works with me would understand it's, you know, whilst I don't preach or, or talk a lot, it's part of, you know, my, my value system. Yes. Then I wanna make sure that I'm in integrity with it. Yes. Especially something like that. Yes. But anything, so you and I have had that conversation.

Yeah. When people go, okay, what that, what does that integrity look like? You know, Tiana's like, well, I don't. Do human design anymore. You just heard her before. Say, I don't speak into frequencies anymore and I don't have crystals anymore. And because, and I do go to church and I do practice, I still do believe we have a frequency Absolutely.

From a science point of view, but I just, I, I, I'm moving away from that language. Language because it's used in a different fashion to what I would use it, but it is still very, yeah. Yes. Yeah. Um, but you'll hear when she speaks on things like that and when she says, potentially people aren't integrity, it's saying one thing, doing the other.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Saying, you know, saying that. Yes. You know, and it is people sharing too quickly. And as I said, it's been a long, like this has been, I think even as you and I were speaking, it was a long journey before we kind of started speaking into it as well. Mm-hmm. But I think that, you know. Watching that evolvement and watching how you stepped into different things.

And I, you haven't just done, you've allowed yourself to move into the different areas as they felt. Right. You know, you have, we've done the coaching, you've done the one-on-one, you've done programs, you've done stage stuff, and it's been amazing to watch. And then you are like, okay, now I'm quiet, you know, and everyone's, I'm gonna feel this is behind the scenes.

Where is she? Like, everyone was like, where is she? And you know, and then I would know behind the scenes, 'cause you and I have a relationship, but it's been so interesting. And then people want to know what you're doing because you are staying quiet and you are commanding in a different type of way. Yeah.

It's really interesting because we do need to be visible. So I wanna be mindful in how I share this. Yeah. 'cause we do, you know, if we have an online business, we do need to be visible. Yes. Um, to, to bring in clients or whatever your field is. But at the same time, curiosity. Catnip. Yeah. Curiosity. And it wasn't intentional.

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His business is, you know, well our business, but he runs it is run all through paid advertising. Yep. So he's never had to show up in terms of being visible per se. In saying that a lot of his ads are all his recordings that he, I was gonna say he isn't it, but it's not like that constant, no. He'll batch everything in one day and it'll last him three years.

Like that's, you know, 'cause then it's run through funnels. And so when I said to him last year, I wanna find a way that we can build, 'cause we had so many gr great ideas, so many opportunities that came to us. Let's build these businesses that don't require a social media presence if they, if we didn't want one.

So yes. If we want choose to do that, I do believe that. There will always be an element of social media presence, but don't require us to be on. Yep. And that's what we did. We built three companies behind the scenes and it created this curiosity for people. What, because I wasn't announcing everything before I'd done it.

Mm. Yes. And I think one thing I've noticed, especially in our industry, is a lot of people will announce, and that's exciting because it's a drawing card, right? It's an influential card. People, oh, I wanna be part of their world. I wanna know what they're doing next. But then what can actually happen is if you follow for a lot time, you never see the the fruit of that announcement.

Mm-hmm. Yes. And for me, it was something that I had, I had previously done where I'd shared something and then change my mind. And we're allowed to change our mind, right? Yeah. Change our mind whenever we want. And I thought, no, I don't wanna influence people into something they think I might be doing that I'm not doing anymore.

Yeah. It doesn't feel clean. So instead now when I share something, it's because it's already in motion. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I call it like it. It's silent power. Yeah. It's already in motion. And now I'm gonna share the journey with you and the lessons with you and what I'm learning from it. It's like that whole idea of like, um, you know, sharing with people your scar's, not your wounds.

Right? Yeah. Like you don't do it when you're in it, you do it when it's healed and they can see like the full trajectory of it. Yeah. Or share even sharing the journey. I think it's powerful. You know, as I said, we are franchising one of the businesses, and I was thinking the other day, I actually should share this because it's been like, that's a whole other learning curve.

Anyone's ever franchised a company. It's not like there's so much regulation. It's been a whole different, I'm learning. I feel like a, she's a lots of, I like I'm the bottle again as a business owner. I said, Josh, I feel like I'm back on a dummy learning all these lessons and I'm like, this is really powerful to learn.

But that's sharing from a, hey, this is an insight, you know, this is what we are doing versus sharing to try and manipulate the viewer's point of view. Yeah. Wow. Mm-hmm. So. Um, okay. I interrupted 'cause I was getting so excited. So it's alright. Um, with your journey, so went from corporate into coaching.

Coaching Yep. And then we had the other companies first over companies. Had the, you had two companies first. When did things start to shift a bit more for you? 'cause you obviously went quiet for a while. Yep. Um, and what you're doing now, I, you and I had a only a conversation at dinner. You were like, okay, it's coming.

Yeah. Like, this is coming to life and it's been brewing and I've been ready for it. Yeah. Um, do you wanna speak on that little bit of a journey? Yeah. So when I came online, like you said, initially I started in human design coaching and I loved that. You know, I really enjoyed that. And that then transitioned every time I was doing human design coaching with someone, it always was about their business.

Yeah. And I realized I had these skills, I knew how to make money. Yeah. You know, it's what I've always done in corporate and in my other company. So I was like, I'm gonna teach people foundations of business, how to create a business, how to make profitable and. You know, when we say it grew fast, it grew fast.

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Can I, can I say something? I was thinking about this on the drive here, and I imagine there's a lot of business owners that listen to this. If I could give anyone, not just one piece of life, say anything, it's, you actually forget when you are in it. You forget how far you've come. Yeah. So even that, it was only the other day I was going through some old content and I found the reels that had made at that time and you know, when you feel like you watch the person and you, you like, you remember that person.

Yeah. Because I feel like I've evolved so much since that day and you actually look back and you're like, I've done some stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And I just like, you've gotta remind yourself of that because it's not all, you know, you've seen it, it's not all butterflies and. Rainbows, like business can be tricky and hard and life can be, and I think we forget.

Yeah. We just forget. And I, it sounds so cliche, but I was like, no, I actually wanna stop and remind people. Like I know it's tough right now. Yeah. If it is. If it is, yeah. Just actually look where you've come. Yeah. So, yeah, it grew very, very quickly and I learned a lot of lessons really, really, really quickly.

Like 47 private clients is not a smart move. I want you to help everyone. Yeah. 47 can help everyone. That's burnout. That's burnout. Yeah. Yeah. Or the capital B. Yeah. Because people, well, they don't realize when it comes to coaching space, it's not just the one-on-one calls. It's all of the background. It's, it's the messaging.

It's the messaging holding of their, and holding of their space. Yeah. And generally when people come to you for a coach, that is them unloading all of the stuff that's going wrong. Yeah. And you have to hold that stuff Yeah. For them and with them in the most integral way. Yeah. Um, so it's the behind the scenes stuff that gets really heavy.

So 47 people of that. Yeah. Holding all of that is, is a lot. Look, it did, it definitely created fast growth for myself. But this is when I always say one of the parts of leadership that people just, it's so underestimated, is self-regulation. Yeah. Like everyone goes straight for, I've gotta update the operating systems, I need the funnel, I need the foundations, I need the system.

I'm like, how about we upgrade the operator? Yeah. I love first. Yeah. Because that I could have, yeah. I had, I ended up putting systems in and funnels in, so I didn't have to hold that much anymore. But initially I needed to learn how to, how do I hold this and hold a space for them to grow without me taking on, yeah, without what?

Moving through. I've got the vision of like the, you know, the hunched over person with just more and more stuff getting piled onto the back. How do I do that? That that wasn't gonna come down to Yes. Systems in order to help me. Everybody right now is thinking what I'm thinking, how you ha Honestly, it's, and you would've heard me say it, so I feel like I've said it too many times, but.

YI believe in business. I know all of these things. She's told me all of these things. It's, I'm probably not following, but it doesn't mean that like it's your capacity. Yeah. To hold. And I will, I will meet someone for the very first time and they'll start like, I can give you an example. I went to an epic event on Saturday night Epic.

And there were a lot of coaches in the room at this event. It wasn't for that, it was for someone's birthday, but just happened to be, they were coaches. And I'd start talking to them and instantly they're so passionate about their businesses and transforming lives. And I would be listening and they'd be telling me some of their challenges and you know, things they're moving through, which was amazing.

And then instantly I could tell straight away where their capacity is at. Mm. Yeah. And if we can't keep expanding our capacity, we actually can't take on more even a system because our capacity is just like we've reached boiling point. You know, think of like it's trying to keep all the corks underwater and you're like holding them down and they're popping up and you're trying to push them down again and they're popping up, they're falling outta the barrel.

It's literally my life. So firstly, the first, how is actually expanding your capacity? So getting a little bit uncomfortable. It was, I don't regret it. It was brilliant how I did that. I think that's why I grew so quick, because I had to then expand very, very quickly. And how I was able to hold what you do behind the scenes makes you more valuable on the scenes.

Mm. So it's, again, so basic, but it's sleep, it's exercise, it's regulation. For me it's prayer. Mm. Like it's actually my standards and my alignment behind the scenes makes me more magnetic on the scenes. Mm-hmm. And it's, it's the same message. It's a message that you hear all the time. Yeah. But I feel like once it sticks, it sticks, right?

Yeah. And we have, sometimes we have to hear that message over again, over and over again. I know this message from Tiana a million times, am I exercising? No. Am IT taking care of myself? No. And my capacity at the moment is extended. I am, you know, um, but I'm not doing all of those things because I don't have time for them.

But that's, then you have to go, that's, this is, this is what. Tiana will be like, ah, ah, ah, ah. That has to be number one time. Yeah. And I, I'm not someone that's gonna go, you need a five step morning routine. Like, I don't believe, like there are times in business where I've been up, like when we launched the children's book right before Christmas, I was doing 24 hour days.

Yeah. I'm saying I did not sleep. You already saw some of my stories at 3:00 AM like, you know this, it was a big project. There are times in like because, because you know that you have the tools in place that once that bit is over, you will, that's it. Be able to regulate again. Yes. This is, when I say, this is when I'll always say, the hustle's not bad.

People get, people worry about the hustle. It's real Hustle is about hustle. Everyone change that word. Hustle it like when you have to hustle. So true like that in a powerful, fun way. It's amazing. It's, and you're the hustle creating and you know that you're pushing to get somewhere. It's overwhelm when it's not.

When you are like, but I'm hustling full time. I'm like, no, you're just overwhelmed. Your capacity is. At peak, the only time I see the hustlers bad or when people get overwhelmed or they burnouts 'cause they're not enjoying what they're doing. Yeah. Yeah. They're not on s anymore. Yeah. Because, yeah, I was tired.

There were a lot of like, when I like literally like not gonna sleep. 'cause kids were on holidays, so then I'd be like, have the kids after being up one night, you know, reading over revising books, you know, it's, it was full on. Yeah. But I was so on purpose and so passionate about this project. Yeah. And launching this business that it didn't feel like burnout.

On the flip side of that, I've had things even in, you know, Tiana Rose Inc. Where I haven't been on purpose and I've been trying to fill gaps and it hasn't felt as fun. Yeah. And that burnout comes 10 times faster. Yeah. From doing maybe a 12 hour day, you know, versus a 24 hour day. Because I'm not on purpose.

I'm not enjoying it. And I think sometimes that's where we, we say hustle's bad. It's not, you're a business owner. There are gonna be seasons of hustle. Hustle. There is, if you, if you wanna grow, you have to hustle at some point. Right. That's it. And you know, or. I still am a big fan of foundations and systems.

Yeah. So like, I think they're so important to give us freedom, but I really do believe that looking after yourself again, not the 10 step morning routine, if you've got kids and businesses and a husband, and that's not always gonna happen, but prioritize the minimum. Because what happens is when we get to overwhelmed, like you were just saying how you're feeling at the moment.

Mm-hmm. We actually, then we, we deprioritize ourself almost like we don't deserve it. Mm. That landed, didn't it? Everything you say lands. I just saw your, I'm like, this podcast are just for me guys. Well it does this just catching up with my friend and I'm so overwhelming. It was a good excuse for Richard to get off my ass 'cause I'm just gonna have a session with my friend.

You're hilarious. Yeah. It's like I say to Josh, sometimes the overwhelm feels like you wanna hunch forward and you've got like this cape over your head and you're like, you're just in it and you just, your head's spinning and there's all these things you have to do. So then you almost don't want to allow yourself to go.

Yeah. For a walk. Mm. Or because you, you get a little bit addicted to the feeling and the nervous system. Disre deregulation. Mm. I've, I've noticed that in myself at times. I've got addicted to the high and the anxious nervous system thinking that was normal. Mm. Now I leverage it. So I love that feeling of being on and going, going, going.

But I know that it's not sustainable. It's not sustainable for my marriage. Mm-hmm. It's not sustainable for my parenting and it's not sustainable for me as a person. Mm-hmm. Yeah. What would you say, so when you've had those times where you're like, I'm feeling, um, like I've lost, um, like when you've had those times when you're like, Ooh, I'm feeling this is not hustle 'cause I'm not enjoying it.

I've lost that purpose. What have you done to work through that? Mm, I will always get that because I feel like we have a lot of business owners that get to this point. Absolutely. And they're like, but what do I do to work through that? How do I build that back? Or how, what do I do? What do I need to do in that area to like.

Re because I have a lot of business owners that come to me and they're, yeah. Incomplete burnout. Yeah. Firstly, if you actually are in burnout, and when I say not just disorientated from your business, but actually burnt out your nervous system's, fried, your health is suffering, you know, there's symptoms that are playing out actually do need to go look after yourself.

Mm. You do. And you need to decide what that looking after is. It's different for everyone. Mm. Like it really is, you know, for me, I like the gym because I get relaxed there for other people that will cause more burnout for their nervous system. So it's working out what works for you. Yeah. One thing you need to step back and take a breath.

Two to reengage. Rebrand, reinvent. Mm. Every time. Find the excitement again. Yep. What do I need to do? And honestly, the third thing, when you started your business, and I do believe this for everyone, while some people will say no, it was just to make money. Like I wanted to make money. There is always another underlying element to that.

And they wanted to have some kind of impact on someone. Mm. Whatever it is, that's what they wanted. Come back to that why. And always remember this is something I, so we are franchising one of our companies all weekend. We've re re had to rebrand it to, there's so many regulations. So those rebranding had to happen.

And I was working with Josh and he's very, um, what would be the word? Stuck? Not stuck. Uh, attached. Attached. Thank you to certain colors that we had used for certain products within that company. Oh yes. And I'm looking at it and for months I'm like, needs to change. It needs to change. But you know, I teach persuasion, so I'm like, okay.

I can see that I can just tell him, or I can actually use the, what I teach to let him come up with the idea and change it. Just so you know, he came up with the idea and changed it. But I said to him yesterday, I said, I actually believe this is why, you know, this color works. This is why it works for where our demographic's going.

This is what you we're gonna need to do. We're gonna have to consider this. And I was giving him all the rundown and then I, he's like, yeah, but we've already got all the collateral. It's so much easy to change the name and then we've got, you know, all the graphic designs being done. I said, oh, that's the easy way of doing things here.

Yeah. Like we can definitely do easy here. And I said to him, what if changing the colors actually gave you, because it's gonna give the brand a new recognition, new identity. It actually lets you feel even more fulfilled within this business because when people come to this business, they come for a transformation.

And I left it at that. And by the afternoon he was at a kid's party, but he was doing some work there and he sent me all the new colors and I could feel the, like. He was like, he was so excited about where the business was going again. Yeah. It sounds so basic. There's so much more than just colors. But if you are feeling disorientated from your business, remember it is about the transformation that you're giving to the buyer.

The buyer. Like knowing your buyer. Well, they don't come to you for the product, they come for the transformation, the experience and the identity shift they get to have. Yeah. Even if it's shampoo. Yeah. Right. Oh, my hair is going to be different. You know, it might grow more. Whatever the shampoo is, I'm gonna get a transformation, therefore my identity gets to shift.

And I think when we, whenever I felt like that in my business, I just make sure that I'm keeping that the buyer in the forefront of my mind. Mm. What is the transformation they're coming to me for? Again, okay, where do I need to pivot? Mm. What do I need to do? And then instantly I'm like, back on. I'm back on, I'm back on.

I'm back in purpose. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Thank you. And it's only the little things. It's a long way of answering it, but No, no, it's, I need the long way. Yeah. I need to give the examples. You know, and even this morning I could see in Josh, he was like, oh, these new colors, because they, they're quite different.

Like it's not just like gone from pink to pink. It's like very different and it's a lot more grounded. And he's like, this is gonna change the whole identity of the brand. And I'm like, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then I could see his identity shifting within that. Yeah. That's powerful. Mm. Everything Tiana says. And you know what he said to me afterwards when he got home?

He's like, did you just, did you just do that to me? And I'm like, what is this? He's like, did you just puppet Tim? I'm like, no, honey was your idea. Yeah. Puppet master right down. How did I do that? We're teaching that in module two. You're like, just, I remember that check. You want your husband to do something, check.

Funny. Isn't it funny? But I was answering your question. I went off on a different subject. No. Um, so I guess I started with the business, business Co human design, then did business coaching. We built some other business. We've got a children's book. The first. Truly personalized children's book, which has been amazing.

We've got a tech company that we've built as well now, so we're doing things behind the scenes. But in terms of this business, when you asked for the evolution, I've always worked with corporate clients behind the scenes. Mm-hmm. So these would be when I, from the corporate client I came from, my name got passed around, so I'd go in and work with the CEO or the MD and then end up doing training with their teams.

Yep. And that has been in my business since day one. It's just not something I've ever necessarily spoken about publicly because a lot of those contracts are also NDAs. Yeah. There's a lot of IP involved in that. So it's just, it's a different kettle of fish and it's all word of mouth. Yeah. Well some, this work I'm doing is what I've always done with them.

Mm. But it's all been proprietary. I haven't been able to share it publicly, but we found a way now that I can reprogram a lot of that work that's caused huge transformations to bring forward. And I've had approval to do that. So that's why now I get to share it. Yeah. That's so cool. Well, ah, I've watched businesses that have got almost gone into receivership, completely transformed just from the leader doing this work and then us doing it with their team.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That's incredible. It's powerful. Yeah. Start with the operator, not the operations. Yeah, yeah. Transform them. Yeah. In turn, transforms the business because once you shift internally, your systems shift because then you look for opportunities. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like think about any time you've created a new system or a new foundation, it's because you've shifted in expanding.

You are wanting to expand, so you're like, okay, what, what can I put in place now to further expand? Whereas if you're not shifting your identity, 'cause you're in overwhelm, it's hard to expand. Mm. Internally or externally. Yeah. You're so wise. It's, I'm making it sound peachy. It's because I've been through, you have been.

Yeah. I think that's really nice. So many nice and tribulations and so many you have and you've never, like, especially for the people in your world that you've been working with, you've never pretended like everything is fine and everything is rosy. No, like, but I remember the huge impact that. Your leadership took Samara with Samara.

Who's Samara? I don't know. Also that's what do you know call her Sam. Sam. Sam. Ah, I've never called you Sam. It's funny, my, you always Samara. It's, it's a reinvention. It's my reinvent. Yeah. Like that's, she's Sam, that's, I was always Samara because he who shall not be named ex-husband, um, his family wouldn't call me Sam.

'cause his ex-girlfriend was Sam. But I was Sam and Sammy my entire life pre-meeting him. So then I just went to Samara. So then it felt really weird ever to introduce myself as Sam or Sammy because I hadn't been called it. So interesting. All my family really struggled with it. 'cause they had called me Sam or Sammy my entire life.

Yeah. So new people would meet me and be like. Oh, I thought your name was Samara. Because my family would say Sam. Yeah. When Richard started working with me, he would say, Sam, I'm like, you can't, you have to call me Samara. I know we had this whole thing. I'm like, rich, he's, you can't, and now you can't call her Sam.

So then when I met, she's my sister and I'll call her her what I want. I'll name her what I want. I'm like, okay. So then when I met Lee, he just started calling me Sam. Yeah, because my family did. So he started and it took a little while, but then the same with our boys. They call me Sam. I wouldn't want them to call me Samara.

It would feel weird. Yeah. And they call me Sam now and then. And so now, now it's like you're in trouble. Now you really person. So now I actually a different person. Now I'm actually like, I'll introduce myself as Sam or introduce myself. Like, it's so interesting because back in the day, yeah, it's like that.

Yeah. It's funny how the different evolvements Yeah. Like I've kind of taken back my name for reasons, but yeah, it's, for me, it's more like I personalize everyone's name, like I call you TT yeah. I personalize everyone's name. 'cause for me that's something that I can, like Jen is Jengen always t Jen. What is that?

I, um, do it because it personalizes that person for me. Creates that connection. Yet I wasn't letting anyone give me the connection because I was like, it's Samara and that's it. Mm. So it's interesting as things evolve. Yeah. Why? But yes, you, but yeah. Like your evolution of your leadership. Yeah. Oh, just. It, I can't even put into words.

I remember specific moments of transformation and I know that they came from that guidance of watching that, you know, that quiet transformation. Yeah. And how moving through things. But I genuinely think that those lessons you got at a time where it didn't just help your business, but you needed that for your life.

Well, I was, when I was working with Tiana, I was still in my marriage and I was in a container of other coaches as well, so I was like this, you know, I had a business but not a coaching business. Yeah. And I was in a container with some like. Women that had big coaching businesses. Mm. Um, and Ash, who you guys have, we've had our two part series.

Love was in that with me Love. So again, I gained some beautiful friendships in that space. Um, but even being in that space, one of the women had said stuff to me that, um, on a day I just had, had a breakdown about what was going on behind the scenes. And she came in and gave me a message and it was just something that would forever sit with me.

Um, and by kind of doing that activity, and, you know, she, and I'd spoken, I think I'd spoken about this before about how, you know, writing. What you actually, who you want in your life and what that person looks like, and can you show up as the, the wife of that person? Mm-hmm. Um, and I did that and yeah, my life completely changed and not, and she had to be like, you have to be okay with the fact that this might mean that your life Yeah.

Completely. Like this might mean your marriage changed completely ends and Diol dissolves and it did. And I had to be okay with that. But I look back now and in it was horrific. You know, it's been, uh, and I've, and people have known little bits of what's been happening behind the scenes, but truly it has, from my best friend's point of view, you could probably say it's truly been on that side of it.

Yeah. A horrific two years. It really has. You know, it really was. There's lots I could say, but I won't as my best friend. There's lots she could say, but that, you know, as you said, as you reflect and as I reflect now, I couldn't paint myself a better relationship if I. Tried, you know, but I had to be okay with the process.

I had to be okay with the fact that if I was gonna continue to lead myself and step up for what I needed and what my children needed, other things were gonna have to go with that. That's it. And even like, this is what you're saying, and I remember that conversation. It was gorgeous, Stevie, that had conversation with you.

And when I said before about leadership, lead yourself first. Mm-hmm. Yes. You know, so you had to go, well, who is the woman? And I think it's so easy in relationships as well, you know, I've been married for almost 10 years now. It's so easy to point the finger like they, they, they, they mm-hmm. And say, well, hang on.

Are you being the identity and the vision of that wife that has that husband that's doing those things that you want them to be doing? Mm-hmm. And it's so hard because so many people don't wanna do self, that self responsibility and accountability. Yeah. Yeah. But you have to lead yourself in. And let me also say, you can be that wife and it does not change.

Like, and that's when you have to make the decision. Yeah. Of what that looks like. That, but that's, I say that like not. Needing to change what other people are doing. That's no. You know, you can't control and persuade out there. Yes. But you can change what you are putting out from here. Yes. And that will sometimes bring someone else in and it helps.

And it does. And people will drop off. You know, we, we see that even in business. Mm-hmm. You know, and like you said, you said it earlier, as we go through different stages of growth, and I've seen, I've had, I've lost best friends. Mm. As my business scaled, I've lost, you know, because as you move through a new evolution, there'll be people that will rise with you and people that don't.

And that's not wrong. It's actually part of evolution. Yeah. You know, and so you stepped into the, the newer version of you and I think what's so clean about the way you did it is you were then able, you wanna walk away from every situation, whether it's your marriage, a business, and go, I did everything possible.

Yes. When you not to blame them. I was actually thinking that. Yeah. Or, and everything possible. Not also to blame myself. That's what I mean. Yeah. As well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I can't go, it was him. It was her. I really. Tried. Yeah. And I did everything I could have done to be the best wife, the best mother, the best business owner, whatever it is that you're working through.

Yeah. And if it falls away from there, you know that you've stood in integrity and the leadership to it. Yes. Not many people will do it. Yes. Yeah. Not many people will go there because it does require a loss of an old identity. Choose a new identity. And that's not comfortable. No. But it's so exciting. Yes.

Excited. Are so excited. I get so about people being uncomfortable, aren't they? Yeah. People are funny about being uncomfortable. I think it's 'cause it's hard. I know. Because it's so easy. Like, you know, I look back on seasons in my life and I go, I wish I just enjoyed that season and wasn't, and you know, we, oh, I feel like that with parenting.

I totally get that. Yeah, I do that too a lot. Um, but it's really hard 'cause we don't know when it's going to flip. And sometimes as a business owner, sometimes you're just like. I'm tired. Can we not just like stop live? I not like how often I say like, can I not learn any more lessons? Yeah. I've learned enough but, and she's so much more valuable as a human, as a mentor though.

Yeah, it really does. It does. I think about some of the things I've been through and whilst I get like, ah, I knew that was a red flag and I still allowed it. You know, there's so many moments I haven't trusted my instinct and that's backfired at the end of the day. I mean, for me it works. And for you it works because you, you're a mentor, right?

Yes. And both of you, it makes us more valuable. Yes. Yeah. Like when I look at some of the lessons, although they were hard, some of 'em were quite public. I go, you know, it was actually end up being quite lucrative. Yes. Because other people that watch from the sidelines watch the way I handled it as a leader.

Yes. Then hired me. Yes. To say, you know what? We saw you stand when we saw this going on. We now wanna learn that level of leadership and it's makes you more valued being able to relate to people. You know, I've got a client who has, um, really had a similar. Experience that I've had. Mm. And if I hadn't have gone through that, I would, couldn't help her.

No idea how to lead her through it. Yeah. Um, and I'm not leading her through it as in saying like, this is the lawyer you call, or, no, I'm not doing any of that. It's like, again, teaching her how to lead herself, how human behind, how you like, these are the strategies I did in order to make myself feel better when I was in that space.

And then she's like, what type of voodoo wizard are you like? And I'm like, I just remember doing it. Yeah. I just remember doing it. And then you go, oh, when you're in that space, you go, that's, I thought it last night. I was like, I actually need to start practicing that same practice that I practiced with her because you.

Forget that those things are what led you through the hard times. Yeah. And how you pull yourself out of them. Because like we have to, unfortunately, you know, even if it's hard, we've still gotta lead a family. We've still gotta, like, I still had three children to look after. Yeah. So I had to keep building myself behind the scenes.

When you had stuff happen with the business, you still had a business to run. Yeah. Yeah. You can't just be like, nah, I don't wanna do any of it anyway. I don't, I don't wanna get a bed day. Yeah. I mean, I still had, I I give yourself a moment. Yeah. You know, I still had my moments and I had my trusted people like have used to have your network.

Yeah. You know, I had a network of people, I had a great mentor. I had obviously my husband, you know, we're very close and I just had a network and I'm like, I'm just gonna speak only to my network. I'm not gonna speak outside of my network and I'm gonna move through this and learn the lessons and keep going.

Yes. Yeah. 'cause there's no other option. Yes. And you, again, your integrity in that was always, even if you and I had ever had a conversation about it, not as a client, as friends, yeah. You still had ultimate integrity there. Um, you know, it's the hardest thing too. It is, it can actually be, especially when it's when you're like, oh, I could just share some things that would just, because you're like, I'm really hurt and I did and thing down happen to me this down.

Yeah. You know, and I'm, and to this day I'm like, you know, and Josh, I love him, but he's, this is my husband. He'll be like, I just think you should just do it. And I'm like, no, because what would my, my, you know, you know, this is my code. What would leadership do? Leadership wouldn't do that. Yeah. You know? And also the people that I work with and the people that I attract don't like drama.

So why am I gonna go out and publicize drama and publicize drama? And also on top of that, it's why don't speak you now led by the Lord. So you wouldn't wanna do it anyway? No, I'm like, I've got, you know, God is my, yeah. What is my revenge plan like? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? He looks after everything.

You don't need to worry about any of that. You have a clean heart, forgive and let God just do what he needs to do. I don't believe in karma. Yeah. I believe in God. Yeah. Symbol. So even to me. So I wanted to talk into a little bit of this. Anyone that is listening, like I have, um. Obviously stepped now into Christianity for me.

Yeah. I grew up in it. Yeah. Um, I have a really Christian dad, um, but more so was forced Christianity down my throat. Your dad? Yeah, with my dad, you know, it was very old school. Forced Christianity. Yeah. Um, so interesting enough, I had started to think about it and when you say influential, you and I had a conversation about it one day and you were like, oh, I'm back at, um, our church that I come go to now.

And I was like, huh. And I, you know, it, it had always been in the back of my mind. Those values I think stay with you forever. And I think even having a conversation with you about this one time you were like, it's the values of like love and kindness and you know, like, how could you not? And they, you know, have always stayed with me anyway.

But, um, myself moving back into church, it's been really valuable for me to have a fierce 'cause I know you as this fierce female who's like strong and powerful. To then have the questions behind all of the faith stuff to be able to be like, okay, well what about this and what about this? And my best friend's the same.

She's like, love it, fierce. And she's like, okay, I've got a question about this. We need to take you out for dinner. Yeah, we have questions. That was literally our message. I got, can we go for a nice dinner? We need, we have questions. Tell us all the things. But even in that, your integrity has been massive because you have really founded yourself in what that feels like for you now.

Mm. So again, though, I, as you move through it, you know, we all speak in different versions and I, I would say too, I think my involvement's been like that too. You know, it was very crystals and, you know, very universe and, and a lot of it is changed for me as I have changed and developed who I am as a person and what my life looks like for my values now.

But yeah, I guess when I say that it's, um, I guess in my mind. It can be quite a meek personality with women in faith at times, which anyone that's faith right now would be like, I think that, why would you say that? I think that comes from your, your, from my Yes. Upbringing from dad. Yeah. I think that comes from dad.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's been interesting even to watch your, um, journey through this because as you said, you're highly influential in any area that you're in. Um, but I think that anything that you choose is always in love and kindness in such strong values that, you know, you're almost leading people to like, and I think that's the magic of you.

You are leading people to a happier, calmer, peaceful lifestyle through the choices that you make, if that makes sense. The thing I really like about the power that you have that Samara talks about, like you're a powerful person, but when we look at your relationship. You are not powerful in a way that disempowers your partner.

Mm. And I think that's such a valuable, like, it, it doesn't, you don't have to take away from someone to be that and vice versa. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it's the whole, like, everyone can be strong, everyone can be brave. Everyone can be soft. Yeah. It doesn't have to be that one person has to fill this role and take it away from someone else.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. Great. That's, it's huge. And I would say that when I, it hasn't always been that way. So with, are you talking about my husband when you, my relationship? I'm, yeah, yeah, yeah. So when I first started Tiara Rose Inkin, as you said, it made moons dollars very, very quickly. So of course comes with that, the huge growth, the go, go, go, go, go.

The ego, the everything that came with tho that learning that lesson, and I did start to feel a little bit of. The polarity shift, not even from the money side. 'cause our other business makes more money than that anyway. So it wasn't about this money making authority side, it was just I had gone from being the support role to him to now being, oh, and I, so sorry.

Maybe here doing my thing like, yeah. Almost dismissive. And at the time I couldn't see that. But it's like pulling the rug out from someone. Yeah. You know, and I was actually, I became quite a dismissive person and it's so subtle. Dismissive is so subtle. It's when they come into the kitchen, for example, and let's just say you are finishing something, I know.

Editing something and they lean over for a kiss and you're like, oh, just one second. I'm just finishing that. That's so dismissive in a relationship. But they're little things like that that I'd actually created. Habits around that I didn't see until like he would point it out. That never went well for him.

And it was like fireworks. It wasn't until after time I started feeling disconnect. And it wasn't a big fight or anything massive, but I started feeling this disconnect happen between us and I started having to go, well, who am I being? And I would catch myself in moments where he was almost becoming, and this sounds so derogatory, but I'm just gonna be really transparent and inconvenience at times because I was so on and I was so focused.

I don't, don't get in my way. 'cause I only had enough capacity for my business and my children in that moment because I never would let them ever feel like an inconvenience. And I realized that the, my husband, who was my most supportive person, did have mo. I had moments of that. So I actually had to stop and go, who are you being?

And is this actually the relationship you want so you can go build this business? You? And he made a comment one day and he said, you give more of yourself. To your clients than you do to me. And that was like, yeah. And I was like, you're ab you're actually right. I can't even fight back on that. Not you give more of yourself.

Sorry, I'm gonna correct that. You give the best of yourself is what he said. Not more of yourself. That's the, you give the best of yourself. That's even harder to your clients. You do to me. And at first it's like, well, of course, you know, they're my clients and I wanna help them win. And then I went, that's like so backwards, Tiana, that is so backwards.

Like, this is your husband, this is your life partner. Um, and so I, we shifted all of it. I shifted all of it in who I was being. I put lots of processes, standards in place, went back to the drawing board on what was important. Yeah. And rebuilt. But see, there's lots of people that just couldn't do that. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. This is what's so powerful. There's lots of people that'll be like, relationships failed. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I've done that though. I've been divorced. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, I've, I've done that. No, I love that. I was gonna mention that because I love the fact that you, um. Too hard have gone through that.

It's like, um, I remember, uh, one of my clients who's a marriage counselor, he's on his second marriage, but I actually think there's more power in that because he understands. He understands what you're going through, what you, you know, like, it's not just like, oh, I've had this peachy, wonderful marriage my whole life.

Like, he understands the nitty gritty that happens in relationships'. He's had a relationship. Yeah. And the lessons we learn, like, I mean, I'm blessed because my, I'm really good friends with my ex-husband. It was a nice breakup. It was, you know, certainly not what you've moved through at all. Right. It's such amateur.

It was all of that. But I do look back and go, yes, I was younger. I was young when we met young when we got married, but not used that as an excuse. But, you know, could have I done certain things differently and may have that relationship. Yeah, probably. You know, I was young chasing shiny object syndrome a little bit, you know, like I had to learn that lesson and.

When, when I got together with Josh, I had made a decision, everything that I knew that I hadn't showed up for in my previous marriage, I wasn't gonna do that again. So then when I started doing certain behaviors and habits again, and he was calling me out for it, but I was like, eh, eh, not listening. You just, you're blaming and you know, he, he, he was sitting here, he'd say there were things in it that he also had to mm-hmm.

Step up to the plate with. You know, as well, the beauty of second marriage is Right. Yeah. You kind of know where you've messed up first time. Well, you do. You do. And I've had to sit back and just go, what's more important? Like right now, if there was nothing else left, what would I want? I'd want my marriage and my children.

Yeah. Like, that's actually what matters the most. And so I'm gonna protect that at all costs. Yeah. All costs. Yeah. Nothing will ever come between that. Yeah. And you've said like, I, we've, since we've spoken about different things, you're like, my marriage now is unbreakable. Like, it's unbreakable. It's the most powerful.

I, I'll be so track. I mean, we've done, we've done counseling, you know, I've studied Gottman's, I've got my certification in Gottman's. If you don't know who they are, they're like number one marriage counselors in the world. They've done like studies over 40 years. They know, like if you dunno off about that.

Okay. Game changing. We've done the work. Yeah. But I'm, I will be so transparent. We've now built our marriage under the Lord. Yeah. And it has, when your man, and I'm not gonna preach, but I have to try and describe this in a way, people that aren't Christians. Yeah. When he's submitted to a set, when I say submitted, when he is leaning into a set of principles, then you can lean into him.

'cause you are trusted that those set of principles are strong. So Josh always has strong morals and values. Yeah. But now when you look at the, the strong morals of the about Bible, there's not one in there that I think anyone, even if they're not Christian, would say, don't agree with that one. Yeah. Yeah.

Love, kindness. Don't murder. Pretty much all of personal development's been built off it. Let's be honest, don't, don't murder, don't treat others how you wanna be treated. Yeah. Don't talk shit about other people. You know, don't judge people when you look like, go through it and actually even just go and chat PT now and actually type in what does God say how for how a husband should treat his wife.

Like, just type that in. Everything is how we all wanna be treated. Mm. Yeah. And so if he's following and being obedient to that set of principles and submitted to that, how can I not submit to him? Mm. Because he's following a set of principles that ultimately puts us in the highest form of love. Mm. And that, for me is what's changed our marriage.

And I think the thing is too, and same for me as a wife, is Absolutely. Yeah. I think I, I, look, people may not agree with me on this, but for me, it's where I'm at. Mm-hmm. I have to already be a boss in every other area of my life. And being able to like, and this is you and I have had these discussions for years.

Yeah. Like how I don't want to be a boss at home. Yeah. I do not. I want to be a wife at home. I want someone, someone I think, decision they were really honest with themselves would say that, would say that I take care of me. Like I have to be a boss in all other areas. Yeah. I don't un I, I don't know, and you may be different, but I've lived a life where I was, I've been the boss in every area of my life and it's exhausting.

Mm. The fact that I don't now and I can, and again, for me, and I, I'm not gonna preach on anything. But for me, since we have been back at church and they're the values that my partner follows, I am so safe in a relationship that I can completely just trust and understand that he's got me in all areas and I can just sit back and it's been, Ooh, I've not said that before.

Um, it's been one of the most. Um, it, again, it's an evolvement for me because I've gotta get used to that Yeah. In different areas. Yeah. But it's been the, the most, um, secure I've ever felt because I can trust and know that that is ultimate safety. Mm-hmm. So, as you said, it's like, it's, it's that when you started this conversation, you had said about like, when, from people that you'd known it was quite meek Yes.

The people that had, you know. Yeah. I don't even like using the word Christian. The only reason I don't like using it's, I don't like it to ever sound like religion. Yes. For me, it's that relationship with God. Not so much religion, but it is what it is. It's understanding when you, and for anyone, go read Proverbs 31 lady.

Yeah. She makes money. She runs the home. Like she's, she's, Tiana said that to me, doing powerful things. That woman, she's an incredible wife, like actually go read it. It's like, we'll change your view on everything and don't read the next verse. It's only about this long. Yeah. Just read that. That's not, and.

I think what you realize when you get to move into that role. Yeah. You soften. Yeah. We actually start to realize how powerful we are in a softened state to our home, to our man. Yeah. We as women set the temperature in every space we walk into. So it's, yes, we need the men, men the men, and the men wants to be the leader of the home.

And they should be. They're actually the spiritual head of the home. If you look at it from that side of it, that the woman sets the temperature of the home. And when we're in like, and we're trying to control everything, we're not setting the temperature for our children and for our men to, to, I guess, blossom rise.

And I've noticed the more and more I've stepped into that role and following Josh's leadership. It doesn't mean I still lead in certain areas that I'm stronger at. And he will even say like, that's, that's a you thing. I don't even know where to start with that. That's your zone of genius. We still play into that.

We don't play into feminine, masculine. Yeah. Any of that. It's, you are actually good at that. So you go do that. Yes, I'm good at this. I'll go do this. Yes. But when I realize that I set the temperature, I hold myself accountable to that. It's like when I say that we influence, yeah, I can. So yes, I, when we'll talking about this rebrand, I knew that I needed to set the temperature for him to actually decide.

'cause ultimate he needs to be completely aligned with it. But I get to set the temperature underneath that for him. For him to be able to make a really informed decision on how he wants to make it. Not me. 'cause I could've like done it in two seconds, gone. These, the colors, this is what we're doing. And he would've actually just gone along with it.

'cause he trusts my zone of genius with that. But, uh, I knew that I could actually create a different, but that's disempowering for him. Yeah. I, and I can create a different avenue that's now gonna move. Like, I can already see the messages from this morning, what he's moving from today. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, now he wants to do this with the business.

Now we're franchising over here. Now we're gonna take this business to the America. And like I can just see the clocks. And that's the role, the role of women. We see it. Yeah. We don't see everything. We see everything. We see everything. Yeah. And so God put us in place to give man that power. And we don't, people don't realize that.

Yeah. Yeah. When you actually read it properly, when you And understand it properly. Yeah. When you sent me that verse, I was like, whoa, she's powerful. Yeah. Yeah. I like Roberts 31. Yeah. Um, and yeah, I just think the way you've moved. Through all of those different areas. And as you said, you're really good friends with your ex-husband and you parent beautifully together.

Like indie's a beautiful kid and I've watched you speak on stage and I've watched Josh speak about indie. Indie was how old when Josh? Only like two or three? Three, three. So really little, which I can completely relate to. Mm, yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, watching that in their home and watching their relationships and I think it's really imp I think it's really important.

Um, and we've said, said this a few times over this, but I think this is the ending point for me is like, who are you influenced by? Yes. Who are you surrounding yourself with? Are they making you a better person or potentially not as great? Because I've really like, for me, you know, having you in my life and, you know, people that surround me, that, you know, are constantly uplifting and as you said, who's in your corner?

Who, who's supporting you through this is really important. Ha Have you got influe, uh, influential people that are. You know, giving you more, are you, you know, or are you left feeling depleted and encouraging you to be more Yeah. And encouraging you to be more Yeah. Feeling you up. Yeah. Yeah. You know, if you are going through hard times in your marriage, are you, you know, are you with people who ha who are gonna help you see things and are gonna pray over you and spend time with you and like, or are they just gonna be like, yep, he's an absolute I hell get out, you're done.

Like, what does that look like? Because at the end of the day, everyone needs to be supported in that 'cause no one knows when it's time. Yeah. To, you know, and I, you know, I was reading something about that the other day. You know how important it is when people are going through those tough times. You know, if you are oversharing, and this was a big thing for you, with you and Josh, if you are oversharing to all of those people, all your friends, for example, if you're going through a hard time with him.

They're not gonna love him like you do. Mm. So they're gonna have different opinions on him. Yeah. So even in that side with how you show up in leadership with your relationship Yeah. You're very private. Very, that is yours and Josh's stuff. Mm-hmm. So it's one of our highest values. Yeah. Is, yeah. Like we don't discuss our marriage with anyone outside of our marriage unless they're like a paid counselor or something.

Wow. Yep. I think I've heard you say that before. Yeah. Maybe with my best friend Kira, like I might say, oh look, you know, we are moving through something, but it's only because she's completely trusted and loves us both and can see our perspective. So sometimes it might be, Hey babe, can you help me with a perspective on this?

I think you need that though. Like I've, I've with one my best friend. 'cause I'm like, I need some perspective. Mm. But again, you do it with the people that have the same morals and values that you do because you don't wanna do that with someone that doesn't have that. Yeah. You know, because that feels unsafe.

Yeah. Whereas in saying that though, I still would only do it under small things. Yeah. Anything big, it's an absolute, for me, it's like a. It is this one of the strongest values that it is high, high level betrayal if it is broken. Yeah. Yeah. I think you've spoken about that before. Yeah. Because, you know, because like I said at the very start of this interview, we are influenced in every interaction.

Yes. And it could be that one thing that someone says, and when you are vulnerable, you, you're easily influenced. So I, I like to think I'm not an easily influenced person. 'cause I've worked on not being, so, for example, if someone comes into a space and they're like, oh, this person, da da da da, I won't then think that person is like that because someone's influenced me to think Yes, absolutely.

I've got really high standards on, well, I'm just gonna take my own point of view. Yes. But when you are vulnerable, when you are down, when you are weak, because whether it's your marriage or your business and someone plants a thought because people are influential with planting seeds and thoughts. Yes.

They don't mean to, they might think they're helping. Yes. Right? Yes. I'm not saying the intention's wrong. Some might, sometimes it might be, but most of the time it's. Pure intention. Pure intention. Yeah. But it's not what you actually need in that moment. You can start to act on that. You can ruminate on that.

You can bring that into your reality. Yes. And so for me, I said, said to Josh, I even if you're at breaking point, let's go make sure we have a support network of therapists, counselors, whatever it is Yes. Around us that you can call. Because I don't want you to have no one. Yes. But I don't want you calling that single best friend.

Yeah. That loves me and loves us and loves us being together, but might just say one thing. Yeah. That that starts the seed planting and the harvest comes. Yeah. You know, let's protect because our marriage is, like I said, at all costs. It is protect your connection at all costs. Yeah. And that's how we do that.

Yes. So it's not about not being vulnerable, it's about going, Hmm. Seeds get planted and we're gonna protect our minds and only speak to someone and you, and you need, you want to apply that to life. You also will ghost seed. You'll be like, I need you to plant this seed 'cause I'm in a bad mood plant and I know Then share things.

Yeah. In a way to get the response that we want. Yes. I've even noticed when you've done that. Yes. Because you are angry. Absolutely. And that's when I'm like, hang on, what about, you know like, yeah, I have absolutely done that. Sometimes we just want the validation because tell me I'm right. We're me. I'm right.

It's like you wait. It's like we'll know can show if it was the response she wanted, show your body in a second because she'll either come back or she'll move to the next person. Yes. To get the response she wants because we do that. Oh, I want much better than I used to be. Oh, absolutely. No, no. We all do it.

I'm saying anything. Oh, business. No, everybody does that. Tianna's gonna show you how I do it 'cause I can feel my body doing it. No. So anytime that you've spoken about your past relationship, yeah, yeah, I do. Yeah. That's body language, right? Because you're actually now feeling it. You're able to articulate differently, but it's still like you are feeling the absolute It is.

Yeah. Yeah. I absolutely do that because I'm like. Mm. Like I can feel my entire body tense when I do do that. Yeah. And that's the process. It's time as well. It's, it's time. It's because we, you, I think when you mo, and this is like that leadership point, like when you move through something that I have been so silenced in Yeah.

And you've, you feel muzzled and done this, you feel muzzled and when you know that there is things being said about you that are such lies and they pull on the biggest points of your values. Yeah. Like, so for me, one of my highest points, one of my highest values, and I can say this hand on my heart. You know, the Lord is listening is fidelity.

And I don't care if anyone else's isn't. Like, I'm not judging. Yeah. No judging. That's judging anyone. Yeah. But it's a really high point for me. Mm. So when you are having somebody who is telling, like, who is telling other people that you've done that when it's your, one of your highest values or one of my other like, or you know, how I am with finances and stuff like that?

Again, a huge one for me. Like I'm so in integrity with that and really open with how I do things and how I share. So when you've got someone who's meant to have loved you and meant to have you, and they will just tear you down, it's so hard to be like. And I've had one point of it when I've been on socials and I've just like let it go.

Mm-hmm. And then afterwards I was like, oh, I shouldn't have done that. And I'm like, oh, well sometimes you just get to boiling point though You can't, it's really hard for, how are you feeling at the time? You know, because you are going through so many things and you wanna to offend yourself and you wanna defend, you want other people.

'cause you are like, I don't want people thinking this about me. Yep. Like this is not who I am. Mm-hmm. And you have to defend. Defend. And you know, people are thinking other things. It's really hard to like let go and surrender and be like, I think from like I, you know, firstly I'm sending you so much love.

'cause I can imagine how hard it is. And you know, I've had situations not with a partner. Yes. But you know, people saying things and. You, you so wanna defend, especially when you know more of the story. Yeah. And you're like, what you are saying about me is actually what you did, but now now you're saying I did it.

Yes. Like I've got proof. Yes. Do I just show that and then I don't have to say anything like, it is so hard. Yes. And I mean, you know exactly what I'm speaking about. Yes. And it is so hard. But again, I always say leadership does not need to defend itself. Yes. Yes. Right. Integrity doesn't Yes. Defense. And you look it up, the 1 0 1, like when someone moves into defense, it's, we know what defense is, right?

Yeah. It's trying to position a different point of view across. Yeah. And I can see that like 12 months. The first 12 months my, I was so defensive. Yeah. And I'll get it to it every now and then. I'm almost at the end. Yeah. I'm a week and a half off the end guys, which is huge. Yay. By this time this comes out, it will be done.

Um, but. You do, it does take time for you to be okay with the fact that you're like, okay, I, I need to let this go. I need to let it go. And for me a big pinnacle moment, but again, I'm not preaching on this was when I gave it to God. Yeah. It's not holding it in your own strength anymore. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent.

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I know it, remember it was like, we don't, I haven't seen you at church for like the last four weeks. Like, it doesn't always happen because there's different services. Um. And you and Josh were there. And I just was like, if I don't let this go, it's gonna eat me alive for the rest of my life. And it really would.

And um, I remember being invited down to pray and I did. And it was just like you and Josh were like, had your hands on me. And it was just this moment of like finally letting go of so much, you know, you hold so much in situations like that and I just don't wanna be that person anymore. Yeah. I don't wanna do that person.

And after it. I became a different person because, and even in my relationship. So I would say to anybody, find that way where you can let go of it. And if, if God is not that, that doesn't feel right for you, then that's, that doesn't have to be your way. No. But find a way to like let go because there's a lot of people that have been in business with other people and business relationships have broken up or you know, or even just friendships have broken up or online, you know, talking about like people saying things online about you that aren't true and just holding your integrity and, you know, giving over to not needing to change what people are saying.

Yeah. Don't need to defend yourself. Yeah. The end of the day what you have to, especially if that is happening is, is the people that, whether it's, in your case it would've been friendships in that situation. In other cases it might be clients or business people, depending on what the reason is. The people that you, that wanna work with you or that wanna be your friend, they already know your heart.

Exactly. And in those moments, and this is what I had to ask myself a lot of as well, is. Who do I actually wanna call in? And by coming forward to jump into a low level drama that other people are trying to create due to their own insecurities. Mm is only them. Me gonna call in people at that level. And I don't actually wanna play at that level.

Mm. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. And so I had to really question that within myself. I was driving here this morning and the verse kept coming through my head that you and I have spoken on. And it is, the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. Full of. Yeah. And I think it all of the time because it's so true.

Yeah. You know, and I think that it's such a good checking point to where you are. The mouth will speak what the heart is full of and what is that? What does that look like for you? What have you gotta let go? Because whether it is in business, or whether it is in marriages, whether it is in friendships, whether it is in parenting, you know, what are you holding right now that's holding you back from being the best version of you?

Mother, business owner, friend, like what does that look like? And when you are either speaking bad to yourself or having negative thoughts or speaking bad about others, you do have to go, what is my heart full of right now? Like, what is my heart? We always do mind nurturing. I'm like, does anyone ever think about their heart, what their heart needs?

Yeah. And so I now can hold compassion towards people that have done that or say negative things because I go, oh wow, your heart must have been hurting so bad. Yeah. But you just now you're saying do Yeah. Just, you couldn't even hold your own leadership in that moment. You had to be quite public and spitfire Yeah.

About someone else because your heart was in that place. Yeah. And so you actually, when you move into that, you stop questioning your own identity and you start going, well, actually I hold compassion towards you because Wow. You must've been in a lot of pain. Yeah. And you know, that's, that's not nice for anyone.

You don't want anyone in that kind of pain where they do that to someone else. Yeah. So I think what we've got from this is Tiana is amazing. Oh yes. Everyone needs a Tiana in their life. And I would a hundred percent say to everyone, jump on. It's Tiana, rose, Inc. Tiana Rose, Inc. Tiana Rose, Inc. Um, because she comes through with some absolute bangers at times and you're like, oh, like Trace will ring me and be like, did you get that Tiana?

And I'm like, yep, got it. Hit it. But I know, I'm lucky you guys just set the bar really high for me right now. No, no, because it's who you be, right? Yeah. It's who you be. And I've watched the, it's not like I'm like, Hey, here's a new business code. She's amazing. I've worked with her for three seconds. Like I've watched your entire of performance.

You've Yeah. And watched that. So, so you've had front row seats. Seats, front row, the good, the bad, and the ugly. And I have been able to be, and I think like for any new business owners, like find. The mentor, the coach, whatever that looks like, that allows, and with that integrity, that allows you to get in the beginning, because I did it in the beginning with you.

Yeah. I wasn't gonna let myself do this and not have someone to support me. Yeah. And I didn't do it in the salon space because that didn't feel integral for me. I didn't wanna learn somebody else's techniques and then teach them. I wanted to know mine. Yes. And I wanted to then lead through that. Yeah. Um, but find somebody in the early days, because I did, I invested massively to be like, teach me just that side of it.

Not the strategy and stuff, but teach me how to stand up as a leader. Teach me how to, you know, and man, did you ever, and it's so good. It's so true. Do you know I, so I hired my first business coach in the April and I didn't start my business till almost the December. Yeah. So I'm, I absolutely believe in learn the skills that you need to learn so then you can come out and hit the ground running.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But even the same thing, like watch this space. 'cause I don't know what is about to come out with you, but I know, but I. So excited. I know, because it's creative. Curiosity. Curiosity. Yeah. I'm not doing it on purpose. I, it's, um, I do have some really epic things coming out that will change the way women sell, show up speak.

I can't wait to see what I'll be doing. I was thinking that this morning in my three minute cold shower after I'd had my shot of, um, Celtic sea salt. Like, I wonder what, yeah. After I've done my outside walk, I just like, I just wonder what I'm gonna be doing next that's gonna get planted this conversation.

And when I say I'm led, so Jen's saying those things because she's been led in one of my spaces by Tiana as well. Oh yeah. In many spaces. Celtic Sea salt, sunlight, first thing, they're the two things. I don't have a 10 step morning routine. But these things are non-negotiables. Yes. And even my kids have Celtic sea salt every morning.

I'm doing that right now. Now get back. See what I mean though? That's what I'm saying. When you get overwhelmed, we almost punish ourselves. Yeah. And stop the foundational things that we know support us. Yes. You put that in place even when you've got resistance to it, everything feels like you can put, and it feels so simple.

It's like, okay, I feel overwhelmed. I feel like there's a lot going on, but I can just have a three minute cold shower. Yeah. And I can just have a little bit of Celtic sea salt. It's protect your nervous system. Yeah. Yeah. Regulation, nervous system. We, again, it sounds so big, but it's not little things that support us and that discipline, like I feel like you talked about discipline free Jen.

Like Jen and I just, the discipline honed on that. I would like to be like Jen when it comes and Tiana when it comes to discipline. 'cause I am not gonna, and I'm gonna be integrity and say I am definitely not disciplined enough. You know the question, it's like, again, it's one of those 1 0 1 things, but I.

I do love discipline. It, it serves me well though, because I'm doing so many things. Yeah. And so, and I need to, I have a very busy mind and concentration's not my easiest command. So I do need to have discipline. But anytime I'm like, oh, I don't really wanna do that. Oh, you know, make excuses to myself. I'll actually just say, oh, so the person, we all have a vision of ourselves on who we wanna be.

We all do. Even if we don't feel like we're in that moment, we all have this vision. Is she doing that? Mm. Would she do it? Yeah. She'd go for that walk. Yeah, she'd do that. Yeah. She'd write that po She would do that. Oh, okay. So if I don't do it, I'm not becoming that person. And it's like, oh, gotta do it. Yeah.

You know, I ask myself that question. I just pulled a lot out of this podcast, but I feel like that ultimately, do you want me to say it again? I'm just gonna, I'm, yeah. Say louder. This is work that I did. When I moved through my marriage. Like, say it again sister, because I'm I, I'll say it again. I'll listen to this podcast over and over again.

Get Tiana in my head. Well, do you know what's funny? My very first, so when I started the business four years ago, my very first free masterclass, I taught this. Yeah. And to this day, it is still the foundation. One of the foundations. Yeah. So you, everyone has a vision Yes. Of who they wanna be. Yeah. And I'm not saying it might be a business owner, it might be a multimillionaire, it might be having a baby for the first time, whatever that vision is.

Okay. Yeah. Hold that vision, that vision's here. 'cause you're not it yet. Yeah. That's why it's a vision. Yeah. Right. You are here. Yeah. You need to fill the gap. Yeah. So who is the identity of the person that has that vision now? Yeah. So if let's just, I'm just gonna use money. 'cause it's easy one for, if they're business owners, you're earning $10 million a year.

Yeah. Okay. The decisions you are making now, are you making them from a $10 million identity? Yeah. Or are you making them from where you're currently at? 'cause if you're making them from where you're currently at, you'll stay where you're currently at. Yeah. So, and that's the question I ask myself all the time.

Yeah. Oh, and it, it, if it's not money, if it's like a health discipline, a wife discipline, whatever it is, am I showing up as that person now? That's how we collapse timelines. Yeah. That's literally how you collapse time, because if your identity doesn't match the level of success you want, you will self-sabotage it every time.

Yeah. That's why I do so much identity work. Yeah. Because we have to actually start stepping into those disciplines now. And I'm not like, I still fail at it. Look at your shark cat. I'm like, yeah, I know. I'm getting crazy. I'm like, I feel the same way though. I'm like, because you can see it. You can see it.

Yeah. Every time I can see it, I can see where I have had lull moments, you know, businesses like this. And every single time, like I, I'm gonna be so honest and I know this is gonna be so activating slash triggering for people listening. It's not because consumers aren't buying. Mm. It's not. Yes. There, there is market trend, you know?

Yes. But most of the time it's because I'm not doing. What I said I would do or what I need to do in order to be that person that makes that happen. And that might not be something personal. It might be getting a product in, launching a certain way, launching a new funnel. It might be something outside of just who I am being, but mostly that'll start with who I'm being.

'cause I'm not being the person pulling the trigger on those things or calling the right people, asking the right questions. I'm making decisions from this Tiana. But this Tiana will stay as this. Tiana, she wants to be this Tiana. Yeah. I like it a lot. Me too. That's a great ending point. I feel like people are gonna want part 17 up to part 17 of Tiana.

'cause she's just got so much. Yeah, so much. Like we didn't, you were like, what are we talking about? I'm like, we're just gonna, and I came gonna go, you haven't given a brief. We're just gonna rant and see where we go. But it was incredible. I love watching people transform. It's amazing. Yeah, so it's much that I just pulled from that in so many different ways.

I'm pretty sure Jen is too. So yes, please get on and follow. Tiana 'cause she comes out with some bangers. Yeah. Um, when she wants to. That's the best thing about it. Um, because whatever this program is next, it's going to be like, I can give you a hint in, I can tell you one of them go, it's the woman of Influence Academy.

Oh, I love, there's gonna be in person. I teach people how to speak command, use their body language, use their tonality. Jen and I are in, I just, yeah. Literally pee a little bit. But it, and it starts, it starts at the identity level. Yeah. And then there's actual strategy, like do this, do that. Like there's at the actual how, yeah.

I think that's missing in a lot of spaces. But there is also the work underneath it. It's a whole academy and it's amazing. Wow. And this is the first place I've told anyone. So Really? So I pretty much tell you I love you. Everybody's like, everyone's like, how do I sign up now? I've just listened to this podcast.

How do I sign up for it? That sounds amazing. Um, thank you so much. I know your time is so precious and I am so deeply grateful for having this conversation. I feel like. I needed that. And so many people are gonna take so much out of that. There's so many amazing, like I was like, my head was ticking the whole time.

Um, but it's such an honor to be, for you, to be one of my girlfriends and to, um, be influenced by someone who is Yes. So incredible. Who are you being influenced by? Yeah. Who? Yeah. Because it's And who are you influencing? Yeah. Yeah. Whole, you know, because you are planting seeds as well. Yeah. You wanna be your ultimate human so that Yeah.

You know, everyone wants to have that person that they speak about. Mm-hmm. Everyone wants to have, be sitting where Tiana is and having someone say, you have changed my life fundamentally for the better in so many ways. And you continue to do it as you continue to grow. I feel like I am the same way and I'm not, I am influenced, I definitely buy the, the things on, you know, online and things like that, but I.

It's finding that powerhouse that you relate to so much that have moved through things that allow you to move through it as well. Mm-hmm. And feel like a better person around. Yeah, absolutely. You realize you are that person. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Thanks. You are that person. I think when anyone, anyone of your followers, listeners, friends, staff members have watched what you've moved through with so much grace, and I know at times it hasn't felt like grace and it's felt like I just wanna go on the corner and cry and pretend that the world doesn't exist today.

You say, I show up in leadership. That's the ultimate leadership. Thank you. You are leading yourself, you're leading others, and you're continually to move through it and be really honest with where you're at at the same time. And not just go, I'm gonna sweep that under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist.

And I think your followers and friends are better people because of you. Agreed. And now she cries. Yeah. Cry. I've got no words now. So when you say everyone wants to hear that and thank you for pouring into me, it means a lot. But you need to know that, that you actually. Are that person. Thank you. And have been that person for many years.

For everyone. Yeah. And as a client, I can say as well, like you being a client in my space allowed me to be a better mentor because you were able to hold a level of integrity and leadership in my space when things got crunchy that allowed me to lead better. So thank you for being that amazing client. Oh guys, everybody needs to go and have a hug now.

Yeah, we wanna say thank you so much to Tiana for joining us today. Thank you for having me. This has been fun. It has been so fun. Sweating. My eyes are sweaty, my body's sweating. I know you did get a little bit hot for a while. Like all the emotions. Yeah. Um, thank you guys. We'll have all the deeds in the show notes.

Guys, thank you so much for listening as always, and we'll be back to chat to you soon. Bye. Bye.